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Joint Committee on Transport, Tourism and Sport debate -
Wednesday, 15 Nov 2017

Shannon Foynes Port Company: Chairperson Designate

I welcome Mr. David McGarry, chairperson designate, Shannon Foynes Port Company. Before we commence, I must draw the attention of the witness to the fact that by virtue of section 17(2)(l) of the Defamation Act 2009, witnesses are protected by absolute privilege in respect of their evidence to the committee. However, if directed by the committee to cease giving evidence on a particular matter they continue to so do, they are entitled thereafter to only a qualified privilege in respect of their evidence. Witnesses are directed that only evidence connected with the subject matter of these proceedings is to be given and asked to respect the parliamentary practice to the effect that, where possible, they should not criticise or make charges against any person, persons or entity by name or in such a way as to make him, her or it identifiable.

Members are reminded of the long-standing parliamentary practice to the effect that they should not comment on, criticise or make charges against a person outside the Houses or an official either by name or in such a way as to make him or her identifiable.

I now invite Mr. McGarry to make his opening statement.

Mr. David McGarry

I thank the Chairman and members of the committee for the opportunity to address them today following my nomination as chairperson of the Shannon Foynes Port Company. I will make a short address, following which I am happy to take any questions. I will first outline my career and then my approach and vision as chairperson.

I am a seasoned professional with senior management experience gained across industry sectors, particularly infrastructure, waste to energy, regional economic development, investment banking, aviation and transportation, gained over the past 30 years. I began my career in 1987 working with KPMG for eight years. I am a chartered accountant and a chartered director. I hold a bachelor's degree in commerce and an MBA degree. Most recently, I was the chief financial officer, CFO, of Shannon Group, where I led the development and implementation of the business plan to consolidate, turnaround, refocus and transform the group and its businesses. I commenced a €100 million capital investment programme, raised debt from the Ireland Strategic Investment Fund, ISIF, for the runway rehabilitation, supported the growth of passengers by 22% and visitors by 29% over three years until the end of 2016, and I rationalised the cost base and improved the profitability of Shannon Group. I left the group after three and a half years to return to Dublin and I now work as a management consultant specialising in corporate development, M&A deal making, and corporate finance.

Prior to working in the Shannon Group, I worked for six years with Indaver, a leading European high tech renewable energy and waste to energy incineration group, as a general manager and finance director. My key achievement was the delivery of Ireland’s first incinerator near Drogheda, at a cost of €150 million, which has since transformed the Irish waste management sector. Between 2001 and 2008, I worked as a specialist on infrastructure development deals, mainly public private partnerships, notably two major Irish toll roads, a major waste water, private finance initiative, PFI, project in Northern Ireland and mixed urban redevelopment projects. Prior to that, I spent six years at NCB Stockbrokers advising on corporate transactions. I worked at board level with Shannon Group. I was a board member at Indaver and I am also currently a non-executive director of Bus Éireann and I chair its audit and risk committee. I brought my skills and experience to bear recently to help Bus Éireann restructure and to put it on a sustainable footing. I developed my knowledge of corporate governance undertaking courses at the Institute of Directors. I was involved with IBEC, Mid West, on its committee and Shannon Chamber while at Shannon Group.

On a personal front, my motivation in accepting this appointment is to be a good leader and to make a lasting contribution to the company and the region. I have an affinity with the communities and understanding of the issues and challenges of the west and south of the country, having worked in Shannon and lived in Quin and having grown up in and worked in Cork. I have extended family living in Kerry, Clare and Cork.

In terms of my approach and vision as chairperson, the Shannon Foynes Port Company is responsible for the maritime management of the Shannon Estuary, serving a number of facilities and customers and handling in excess of 11 million tonnes per annum. Shannon Foynes port is the second largest port in the State in terms of total tonnage and profitability and the third largest in terms of turnover. Connectivity and port capacity are two key themes on which I will focus as chairperson. In particular, the national ports policy classified the port as a port of national significance. The port has been also recognised in a European context as being a core port under EU TEN-T guidelines. I see Shannon Foynes port as having a vital national significance and not just a mid-west significance. It is critical, therefore, that Shannon Foynes Port Company continues to be run and developed on commercial grounds and that it also recognises the varying interests of all stakeholders in the development and implementation of its strategic plan to deliver increased connectivity and capacity for trade and investment. The draft national planning framework supports the role of the tier 1 ports and the Limerick to Foynes road upgrade. I will also focus on re-opening the rail connection from Foynes to Limerick to facilitate mainline rail connectivity and industrial development.

My approach as chairperson will be to work with the board of directors, and through the CEO and his management team, on all aspects of the business. I will focus on good governance ensuring operational excellence and the development and progressive implementation of a strategy to secure investment and growth in the business. This strategy, where appropriate, will be complementary to and supportive of the overall development of the region and co-ordinated with Government and its agencies' plans to develop the port as a national asset and enabler of socio-economic development of significant scale in such areas as energy, natural resources, agriculture, manufacturing and processing. My initial meeting with the CEO of the company has been reassuring that a focused and professional approach is in place and my objective is to contribute to building and consolidating this approach.

In terms of business strategic vision, the shipping sector is becoming more globalised. Shannon Foynes Port Company's business strategy must, therefore, identify, pursue and deliver new global opportunities and expand the scale of its existing activities to ensure its growth and survival. Global business development and investment are also key themes that I will focus on as chairperson. Shannon Foynes Port Company has an ambitious strategic plan set out in its master plan vision 2041 document. This master plan covers the growth and development options for the port for the 30 year period to 2041. The sustainable implementation of the master plan encompasses capacity and land optimisation, transport and multi-modal connectivity, society and community integration along with environmental considerations. The capital expenditure programme in the master plan is projected to involve an investment of some €1.8 billion, of which the port company will invest €126 million. This will position Shannon Foynes port to capture ongoing growth and new global sources of growth, foreign direct investment, FDI, and support economic and social development in which I keenly believe. The development of infrastructure at Foynes port in tandem with the Limerick to Foynes road scheme and rail line will add significant capacity and direct alternative connectivity to and from Europe and the rest of the world enabling the Shannon Foynes Port Company to compete and capture global business opportunities. This infrastructure capacity and direct connectivity will reduce uncertainty and potential customs delays caused by Brexit as the infrastructure now being developed at Shannon Foynes port could facilitate direct multi-modal links to Europe and beyond by completely bypassing the UK land bridge. In addition, this realignment of the supply chain toward Foynes port leverages the substantial Government road investments, undertaken and planned. I also will be focused on the development of Limerick Docks and alternative uses for its surplus lands.

My approach is to ensure good corporate governance, meeting or exceeding the shareholder expectations for a dividend - financial, economic or social - and to have a realistic strategic plan which adds tangible benefits to its many stakeholders.

My ambition is to deliver this in the context of a strong unified board working in harmony with the CEO and his team, with good relationships and support from the appropriate external bodies and working co-operatively and transparently with the local community, businesses and other stakeholders.

That summarises my vision, approach and career experience. I will be happy to take questions on any aspects of those.

Thank you. I will call Deputy Troy first followed by Senator Ned O'Sullivan and Deputy Mick Barry.

I will let Senator Ned O'Sullivan go first because he has to go to another committee.

I thank Deputy Troy. I am a member of the Joint Committee on the Eighth Amendment of the Constitution which is meeting next door so I will have to leave. I might not be able to stay for the responses but I will note them when I get them.

I warmly welcome Mr. McGarry and congratulate him on his appointment. I know a great deal about Shannon Foynes Port Company because, in one guise or another, I was a director on the River Shannon from the days of the old harbour commissioners up to when I was elected to the Seanad. I did that for 16 years so I am familiar with the company. The Shannon Foynes Port Company is very important infrastructure not just for the mid-west but for the nation. I have nothing but admiration for the work being done there by Mr. McGarry, his predecessor, the chief executive, Pat Keating, and the board members. It is a fantastic facility and a great working environment. It is not far from the Kerry border and many of my constituents have secured good, meaningful, long-term employment there. We always say that what is good for Foynes is good for Kerry.

The rail link between Limerick and Foynes is very important for the growth of the harbour. I wish Mr. McGarry well with that. I have a question about Foynes Island. I am out of touch now but it had been suggested that Foynes Island might be acquired by the port company to give it further potential. What is the position with that? Is there a possibility of movement on that, if the company does not have it already? It would be important to secure more space.

The other issue is the gas project. People in Kerry had been very hopeful about the liquefied natural gas, LNG, project for a long time but there has been some disappointing news of late. Foynes has a huge role to play in the provision of gas and ensuring our energy security into the future. Will Mr. McGarry comment on the current position of Foynes on that project and how he sees it growing in terms of a storage facility for gas into the future? I welcome the fact that there is now a gas supply line directly to Listowel, where I am from, from Foynes. The Kerry Group is very involved with that as well.

I wish Mr. McGarry well. The reports about him are very good. I will note his responses in the report of these proceedings. I must go to attend an important meeting of the other committee.

I welcome Mr. McGarry. His curriculum vitae is quite impressive. He has built up a vast amount of experience during his working life, which is welcome. I admire the reasons he wishes to return and give something back to this company.

Was the position advertised on publicjobs.ie? Did Mr. McGarry apply for the job through publicjobs.ie? If so, did he have to undergo any interviews and, if so, how many?

I have been on this committee for almost two years and this is possibly the first time the marine sector has been before the committee. Sometimes we forget about it but it is an important industry. In 2012, it had a turnover of €4.2 billion and was a net contributor of €1.3 billion to our GDP, which is almost 0.7% of GDP. That is extremely important, no more so than now in the context of Brexit and the need for improved connectivity for our agrifood, pharmaceutical and biopharmaceutical industries. Mr. McGarry referred to the Limerick-Foynes rail line. Representatives of Irish Rail appeared before the committee a few weeks ago when they identified, and we know it from national media reports, the serious and precarious financial situation of the company. Has Mr. McGarry had any interaction with them? Is this a pipe dream or is it realistic? There is also the upgrade of the Limerick to Foynes road. The port is part of the TEN-T network. Could Irish Rail and Transport Infrastructure Ireland avail of EU funding to help advance both of these projects?

Senator Ned O'Sullivan referred to the LNG project. This nation is 95% dependent on the UK for gas supply. Even in 2025 we will still be 85% dependent on the UK. Has the port made provision for importing liquefied natural gas? What is it doing with regard to its role in the storage of natural gas? A few months ago the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment, Deputy Naughten, indicated that both the import and storage of liquefied natural gas are under serious consideration by his Department. The European Commission produced a paper a number of years ago entitled Europe's Seaports 2030: Challenges Ahead. One of the challenges is predicted high growth. With even modest assumptions of economic growth port cargo volumes are expected to increase by 50% by 2030. It is even more for the fast growing traffic of containers. How is the port equipped to deal with the prediction of high growth? The paper also refers to the challenges of the nature of shipping, with the size and complexity of the fleet increasing. Ultra large container ships are appearing as well as new types of roll-on/roll-off ferries and gas containers. Energy trades are changing, with a shift from oil and refined products towards gas, and there is the deployment of bigger vessels for short sea shipping. How does Mr. McGarry think his port is equipped to deal with the changing nature of shipping?

The paper produced by the EU Commission included an action plan with eight specified actions. I am sure Mr. McGarry is aware of it. Will he comment on how he proposes to implement those actions or are all of them relevant to the port?

How does the port comply with the new International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea, SOLAS, weight certification from the International Maritime Organisation?

I have a question about Mr. McGarry's role on the board of Bus Éireann. How long was he a member of the board? He said he is pleased with how he contributed to the restructuring of Bus Éireann. However, we read in the newspapers yesterday that there is potential for further strike action in Bus Éireann due to some of the restructuring of which he was pleased to be a part. I am not trying to lay the blame on Mr. McGarry exclusively. We accept that something had to be done with Bus Éireann, but it is still not resolved. It is still a big issue. While the maritime industry has not been on the committee's agenda for two years, Bus Éireann certainly was. It is an issue that affects hundreds of thousands of people daily. Perhaps Mr. McGarry will share his insights with the committee on how, as a member of the board of Bus Éireann, he envisages it being put on a sustainable footing and also on how to get buy-in from the people we rely on to ensure that Bus Éireann is effective, reliable and fit for purpose in terms of serving the passengers who rely on it.

There were plenty of questions. Mr. McGarry has the floor.

Mr. David McGarry

Should I deal with Senator O'Sullivan's questions first?

Yes. He has to go to another meeting, of the committee dealing with the eighth amendment, and he will not be able to return though he will get the transcript of this meeting.

Mr. David McGarry

I understand that good progress is being made on the rail link. I understand that details of the plan for Foynes island are set out in the master plan up to 2041. It is likely to become part of the future and to play a more prominent role in the services the port can provide. I am new to this role and I do not have all the detailed knowledge of the situation as I am just building my knowledge at this stage. Foynes island would play a key role in facilitating large ships which need deeper water. I have no details as to whether it is owned or not owned by the company.

I accept that Mr. McGarry is an incoming chairman. Perhaps we can get the chief executive of the port to respond in due course.

Mr. David McGarry

I will ask him to write to the committee with factual information.

The LNG project is not going ahead. The owners of the project have put the site up for sale but in the longer term we will need sources of energy and energy security needs to be protected by the State so LNG will have a role. This part of the estuary is ideal in terms of location and Moneypoint and Tarbert are in the area, apart from which the lands of Ballylongford are very suited to this type of activity. I am sure it will be looked at again. The board of the port is monitoring the situation. It is not going ahead at the moment but there is potential to look at it again in the future. I will develop it with the board in due course.

Deputy Troy asked about becoming chairman-designate. The post was advertised through the State boards. I had to apply and went through a rigorous process. My application was assessed and I went through one formal interview at which I had to give a detailed presentation and face detailed questions. It was a proper interview, very structured and professional. My credentials were submitted in a CV and a covering letter and this was followed by the interview. I had to explain my suitability for the role, as well as my interest in and motivation for the position.

As regards the marine industry, I understand that Iarnród Éireann may not have the resources to develop the rail line but there are indications that there would be demand from the marketplace to move materials along the reopened rail line. Once there is demand from the marketplace there is always a solution for funding it. If Iarnród Éireann is not in a position to fund it as owner of the line, I would hope the marketplace would be in a position to do so, perhaps in a joint venture or a public private partnership with the port.

Has Irish Rail engaged in any public private partnership in the past? My understanding is that it has not. I am not saying it would be a bad thing and the most important thing is to increase connectivity to the port. The port is designated as one of Europe's TEN-T ports, so is there an opportunity to avail of funding from Europe?

Mr. David McGarry

I am not up to speed as to whether Irish Rail has done public private partnerships but there could be a joint venture or some other form of co-operation, if not a traditional public private partnership. I am not up to speed as to whether Europe could fund part of a project to reopen the line, but it is a core port and it is something that would be looked at. It will be investigated and proposals will be made to Europe if it is feasible to do so. I do not think it is a pipedream and the rail link could bring industrial development to the area. My understanding is that concrete proposals are not too far away from being brought to the table to bring it to life.

The road network, specifically the N69 between Foynes and Limerick, is the responsibility of Transport Infrastructure Ireland and the State would largely fund such a project. I am not up to speed as to whether Europe could fund part of the road but the port has various plans and has secured funds from Europe under the CER programme as part of TEN-T. In due course it will make applications to fund further development of Foynes Port and up to 20% of capital investment can be secured from Europe for this purpose.

Is that 20% grant aid or is it available at variable interest rates?

Mr. David McGarry

My understanding is that it is in the form of grant aid.

It would be investment in the port itself.

Mr. David McGarry

Yes. I believe I covered the Deputy's question on LNG in my answer to Senator O'Sullivan's questions. The Deputy is correct that volumes through ports, particularly Shannon-Foynes Port, have grown by more than 40% since 2011. Growth is now recovering quite well.

Is it bulk cargo?

Mr. David McGarry

Yes. It is a bulk cargo port. It has recovered to exceed the peak in 2008. The Deputy also asked about containers. The port is not a container port but it could be in future. As Brexit comes along, there may be opportunities to convert to a containerised port. The investments of this year, and those to come next year, could be adapted to this purpose.

Is this part of the €1.8 billion expenditure in the strategic plan? I welcome Mr. McGarry's commitment to this. I am trying to understand how the port will develop. Is there a contradiction between container traffic and getting the road built?

Is using road and rail a practical option? How will Shannon Foynes Port decide which is more important? How do the other ports near Foynes interact with the port's plans?

Mr. David McGarry

The priority would be bulk. It is largely a bulk port and handles more than 60% of the bulk coming into the State. As chairperson, that is the first priority. Because of Brexit there are opportunities for containers using it as a substitute, instead of using the UK land-bridge to Europe. Foynes could be adapted for containers, but it is not a container port today.

Obviously, it is a commercial world and the Shannon Foynes Port has competitors. What are its main competitors now?

Mr. David McGarry

Shannon Foynes Port's major competitors are Cork and Dublin.

What about Belfast?

Mr. David McGarry

As the major port in the North, that would be another, but it is quite a distance from Belfast at more than 200 km. Dublin is 200 km from Limerick. It has its own natural catchment. As the size of ships grows and as shipping globalises, clearly the role for Shannon Foynes Port is to be a national gateway for all bulk and would grow in scale, as congestion becomes more of a reality in Dublin Port.

Shannon Foynes Port would need to be very competitive in order for an exporting business on the east coast to use it. How realistic is the company's development plan given that most of the volume of business is on the east coast?

Mr. David McGarry

I have been involved for only days and need further discussion with the CEO.

I appreciate that.

Mr. David McGarry

It is something I will examine.

I just want to understand Mr. McGarry's comments about the master plan.

I welcome Mr. McGarry's commitment to expanding. While there are obviously many disadvantages to Brexit, Shannon Foynes Port will obviously try to maximise any advantages available.

I come from the east coast and am not familiar with the operations of Moneypoint, Aughinish or Limerick Port. Obviously there are many ports in the area even though Shannon Foynes Port is the premier one. How does the Shannon Foynes Port Company work with those at the moment? How will the company's investment plans affect them?

Mr. David McGarry

There are other ports in the general area, as the Chairman knows.

I believe Aughinish is very near.

Mr. David McGarry

Aughinish Alumina is one of the major customers of Shannon Foynes Port. It is a matter of maintaining the investment in the port and maintaining port capacity to feed the needs of the customers. It is those customers-----

I appreciate that these are issues about which we might be able to ask the CEO.

What sets Shannon Foynes Port apart from its competitors?

Mr. David McGarry

Shannon Foynes Port's real strategic advantage is its Atlantic location on the west coast of the country. It is a very reputable, well-known, deep-water port with facilities that are getting better. As Europe changes and as the size of ships grows and as Brexit becomes a reality that creates good opportunity for Shannon as the port on the western side of the country to be a step-off point, rather than going to the UK. Rather than taking volume or business from the eastern coast, the world is becoming bigger for us. It is about creating opportunities from Brexit, the size of ships and opening up the world for the services that we can provide.

Is Shannon Foynes Port an open port for operators?

Mr. David McGarry

Yes, absolutely it is open for-----

Does that mean that anybody can bring their own staff or stevedores or-----

Mr. David McGarry

I am not an expert on the operation and how it operates.

We might ask the CEO to respond to that.

Mr. David McGarry

I will ask the CEO to write to the committee on that in terms of openness.

Are there any other questions?

The Chairman interjected before Mr. McGarry finished answering my questions.

I am sorry.

I give way to you, Chairman; you are the boss.

I am not really. Deputy Troy may go ahead.

Mr. McGarry may have a number of further answers to the questions I raised, particularly regarding the European Commission's report and the challenges ahead. Is its eight-point action plan relevant to Shannon Foynes Port?

How long did Mr. McGarry work with Bus Éireann? How does he see that evolving in the upcoming period?

I ask Mr. McGarry to comment on compliance with the new SOLAS waste certification under the International Maritime Organization. I accept that Mr. McGarry has been unable to answer some of the questions we have raised today. I am sure when he goes back, he may be able to pass them on to the CEO for reply back to us.

Mr. David McGarry

I will, of course. I am not in a position to answer some of them truthfully.

On the EU, the potential for the port is in the energy area in terms of strategy and to invest in Foynes and to develop the Limerick docks. Those are probably the three key things that can be game changers for Shannon Foynes Port, which would be very consistent with the EU policies. We have to develop Shannon Foynes Port itself, develop renewable energy sources that are naturally available in the estuary in terms of wind, ocean and tidal energy and look at the development of the docks area in Limerick. That would be consistent with EU policy and our own regional plans and area plans.

I have been on the board of Bus Éireann for approximately two and a quarter years. It has been a very interesting personal experience. I am not the chairman and not the chief executive of Bus Éireann, and I do not want to speak out of turn. I understand discussions between both sides are ongoing to address the issues that hit the headlines in recent days. I believe they are going in the right direction. It is in progress and in hand.

I thank the chairperson designate, Mr. McGarry, for appearing before the committee and answering our questions. I appreciate that he is not fully briefed on all the issues. I acknowledge his commitment that the CEO will respond to the committee clerk on those matters.

Sitting suspended at 2.19 p.m. and resumed at 2.21 p.m.
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