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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 6 May 1931

Vol. 38 No. 7

Financial Resolution No. 1—Income Tax.

I move:—

(1) That income tax shall be charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1931, at the rate of three shillings in the pound.

(2) That sur-tax shall be charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1931, at the same rates as those at which it was charged for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1930.

(3) That the several statutory and other provisions which were in force during the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1930, in relation to income tax and sur-tax shall, subject to the provisions of Part II. of the Finance Act, 1929 (No. 32 of 1929), have effect in relation to the income tax and sur-tax to be charged as aforesaid for the year beginning on the 6th day of April, 1931.

(4) It is hereby declared that it is expedient in the public interest that this Resolution shall have statutory effect under the provisions of the Provisional Collection of Taxes Act, 1927 (No. 7 of 1927).

It is usual for us at this stage simply to comment in a formal way on the Budget statement made by the Minister for Finance. Every Deputy probably came into the House as I did, expecting one principal item, namely, the item which would indicate the extent of the immediate relief which the Minister proposed for the farmers. I am sure that most of us, whether we express it by our votes or not, are genuinely disappointed—disappointed that after all the promises that have been made by the Government of relief for the farming community, the £1,000,000 which was specifically mentioned on previous occasions should now be cut down by one quarter.

When certain elections were on and the Executive Council wanted the support of the farming community they told the electors that they realised the depressed condition of agriculture and that it was their intention in this Budget to come to the relief of the farmers. It was admitted by members of the Executive Council that our farmers were severely handicapped in competition with the farmers of Great Britain and Northern Ireland by the fact that de-rating operated in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, while our farmers had to pay to the full all the local rates. A million pounds was promised, and now they propose to give £750,000. We have had the De-rating Commission Report before us, and some of us, at any rate, expected that the one important suggestion in that report might have been adopted, and that in so far as relief was being given by way of de-rating a system of distribution would have been chosen by which there would have been relief given, in particular, to the smaller farmers. We had hoped if the Government proposed to give indirect relief to the farming community by way of relief of rates that they would have adopted that system by which those under £15 or £20 valuation would have been relieved of their rates on agricultural land, and that a similar relief up to the £15 or £20 would have been afforded to those of higher valuation. The sum of money required to do that would have been just about £750,000, and there would have been available, if the full relief of one million pounds were to be given, a still further sum of £250,000 to be distributed in some such equitable way. Notwithstanding all the fault that the Minister found with the existing system, at least fifty per cent of the £750,000 is to be distributed in the same manner as before. We have not had an opportunity of examining how this distribution partly on the basis of population will work out, but it seems to me, at any rate, that when the Minister was giving relief it was a pity he did not adopt that other suggestion.

As to the manner in which he proposes to raise the money, with the petrol tax as a whole we have not much fault to find—at least I have not. But when it comes to the tax on sugar the position is quite different. Already the percentage of indirect taxation, as compared with direct taxation, is very high here, much higher, I think, than in most other countries. Yet, just as when he wants economy he thinks of the old age pensions and cuts them down, so too when he wants to get £300,000 he proceeds to filch it out of the pockets of the poorer section of the community, including, of course, the farmers, particularly the small farmers. The suggestion, with which we agreed, which came from the Labour Benches when my motion was put forward in the House, that in whatever manner the money for the relief of agriculture was to be found it should not be found in a manner which would impose a burden upon the small farmer, whom it was ostensibly intended to relieve has not been adopted. The Minister makes no discrimination between the large holder and the small holder of land as far as relief is concerned, and, in fact, the relief is bound to work out for the benefit of the larger land holders only. As far as the benefit is concerned, no discrimination is made in favour of the small holders, and when it comes to raising the taxation discrimination is made as against the small holders, because, proportionately, the small holder is going to bear the burden of this taxation very much more than the large holder. I think that the feelings which I have expressed are likely to be echoed not merely here on the Opposition Benches, but, I am sure, in the hearts of many Deputies who are supporting the Government at present, and that they will be re-echoed throughout the country. It is a disappointing Budget, disappointing as regards the relief proposed to be given to the farming community, and as regards the manner in which the money is to be raised.

A great deal can be said for and against income tax, but, as far as I am concerned at any rate, and as far as any studies I have made in the matter would guide me. I see no reason at the present time why, if an extra burden is to be imposed it should be imposed by way of indirect taxation and imposed on a necessary of life. The Minister's own argument from his own point of view would have indicated that portion of it could be borne—at least half of it—by direct taxation. With an increase of 6d. in the £ in income tax the Minister could have got half the total balance required and that should have been raised in that particular manner instead of putting the whole burden upon a necessary of life.

With regard to the balancing of the Budget, we had to complain in the past about the manner in which the Minister segregated the normal and abnormal items, and we found it very difficult to find exactly the basis on which he made the segregation. There is one item this year—it has appeared, of course, in the past also—which it seems to me is unjustifiably put down as abnormal or capital expenditure, that is the sum of about £190,000 for public buildings. There is no indication that depreciation in buildings is allowed for. If depreciation, as I think, is not allowed for, then obviously this sum, or a great portion of it, ought to be regarded from year to year as normal and not abnormal expenditure. I feel that that item is not properly classed, and that to balance the Budget that sum will have to be met out of taxation. With regard to the other changes, as I have said, the principal item was that of the relief of agriculture or failure to give relief, and the manner in which the money was proposed to be raised. The other items, such as the betting tax and so on, are comparatively small items, and we shall have an opportunity of examining them in detail when we come to discuss the main resolution.

While we might feel inclined to offer our personal congratulations to the Minister for Finance on having created something like a record in introducing his eighth successive Budget, in this House, we are not by any means of the same mind as to the nature of the Budget he has introduced. So far as we on these benches are concerned, we must, at the very outset, express our profound disappointment with the proposals laid before us for consideration. Once again the Minister has produced what can only be described as a rich man's Budget, and the people who will clap him on the back for having produced these proposals will be, in the main, the better-off members of the community. The main feature of the Budget, as Deputy de Valera pointed out, is the proposal to give relief to the farmer. There are many disappointing features in connection with that. There is no distinction made whatsoever as between the man who holds a large amount of land and makes very little use of it so far as the community is concerned, and the farmer who, on the other hand, uses his land to the best advantage from the general community point of view. I do not at all accept the view of the De-rating Commission that it is impossible to make this distinction. I believe a plan could be devised whereby such a distinction could be made. That is one feature of the Budget, and it is a very objectionable feature. But, as already pointed out, the greatest objection is to the method in which it is proposed to find a very great proportion of the relief that is proposed to be given to the farmer, because the farmers themselves are going to find a large share of it—at least so far as half of it is concerned. That is what it amounts to.

I cannot at all agree with the statement made by the Minister that this halfpenny a lb. on sugar will not fall upon the farmer to any great extent. Do the farmers take their tea without sugar? Certainly not, in my experience, although some of them may be forced to do so in the future. In any case the proportion of the relief the small farmer will get by this proposal is very small. I believe that in many case it will be found that the small farmer or landowner from the West will be paying as much or more in the tax of a halfpenny in the lb. on sugar than he will get in relief of rates. I believe many cases will be found where the small farmer or landowner would be better off if he got no relief of rates under this proposal, because he will have to pay more in sugar tax than he will get by way of relief.

The petrol tax is bound to be passed to him to a great extent. The travelling shops and merchants who have to pay extra petrol tax will undoubtedly, to a very large extent, endeavour to pass on that tax to the small farmers, so that the very small measure of relief that the farmer is to get will be more apparent than real under these proposals.

It is typical and characteristic of the present Government to refuse to increase the income tax. That is a tax which everybody admits the farmer is free from. The Minister, however, refuses to increase that tax, and increases the sugar tax, which, undoubtedly, in the case of the majority of the farmers, will fall heavily upon them, and will fall most heavily upon the smaller farmers, who are the people deserving of the greatest share of relief. They are proportionately our best producers and therefore entitled to the greatest measure of encouragement. They will have under these proposals to pay the greater share of the tax which is intended to relieve them.

We shall have further opportunities of discussing this on the general proposals. I should just like to say a word on one or two other of the proposals. I was glad to see relief given to the dramatic societies and concerts. That is the one feature that the Minister can be congratulated on. On the Resolution which is before us, I have only to say what I have already said: that I would prefer to see income tax increased rather than sugar tax increased, and, again, I express my disappointment that we have no proposals made for the alteration of the incidence of the tax so that the small taxpayers would get the same relief as is given in other countries. The point has been made from time to time that we pay smaller income tax here than in Great Britain or Northern Ireland, but so far as the great majority of those with small incomes of £500 and under are concerned, they are, in fact, paying more income tax than persons of similar incomes would be paying in Great Britain and Northern Ireland. On the whole, those of us sitting on these benches have no welcome whatever for the Budget statement, and will take opportunity, when the occasion arises, to mark our disapproval of the items to which I have referred.

While the Minister was speaking, I noticed that the Press Gallery was very full, and I am sure that there were representatives here from outside this country, I am also sure that the universal captions that will be seen in the morning papers will be that the Minister's address was an exceedingly dull one.

I think that is the greatest tribute that possibly can be paid to the Minister for the Budget he has introduced. It was dull; it was exceedingly dull, and I think that speaks volumes for the stability and solvency of the country. The one outstanding feature in his Budget speech is the fact—and I think that he was almost too modest in stating that fact—that the amount of revenue that this State has to obtain is £24,658,000 odd, and that the amount of revenue which will be obtained on the existing basis of taxation will be £24,661,000 odd, thereby showing a small nominal surplus, but a surplus. That is a matter for supreme satisfaction in this Dáil, and especially of congratulation to the Minister and his Government. I have been present on similar occasions in other places. Whenever a Minister or a Chancellor of the Exchequer was able to get up in his place and say that he was able to balance his Budget that statement was greeted by uproarious applause from all quarters in the House. I think we are entitled in this Dáil to congratulate ourselves and our Government on this satisfactory state of affairs.

The Minister seeks to impose fresh taxation, not to balance his Budget, but for the purpose and object which we all expected and upon which we all agree, the relieving of farmers by some means or another. He dwelt upon the Report of the De-rating Commission. He agreed substantially with the Majority Report and to a certain extent with the Minority Report, and he has come to the conclusion that rates should be relieved if not wholly at least partially. He proposes to make a grant-in-aid of £750,000, and with that proposal I do not think any member of the Dáil will be in disagreement. There may be disagreement on the question of amount, and probably on the means whereby that sum would be raised. He proposes to raise it by the imposition of a tax upon petrol, in the first place, amounting, as he says it will, to a sum of £450,000, and also by increasing the tax upon sugar.

What Deputy O'Connell has said, I think, stands to reason, that the farmer undoubtedly will have to pay something towards both in taxes. The difficulty, as far as I can see, is to create any taxation to impose any new burden on the people of this country which inevitably and ultimately the farmer will not have to pay his share of. After all, farmers comprise the bulk of the earning community, and it is all very well to talk about raising the income tax. I think the Minister has disposed of that himself by showing that an extra sixpence in the pound would only produce £150,000. Is it seriously suggested by Deputy O'Connell and his associates that income tax sufficient to raise £750,000 should be imposed? If that is their suggestion, then I think they will have very little support in this House.

We do not say any such thing.

I say if that is their suggestion they will have very little support in this House. If that is not their suggestion, what is the use in saying that an income tax imposition would have been better than the one proposed by the Minister? I am not in love with an increase in the sugar duty. Undoubtedly sugar is as necessary, more so, as the Minister says, than tea; perhaps more so for the farmer's growing family than almost any other article of consumption. He has shown that the imposition of this extra duty will not increase the price of sugar out of all proportion to what it has been, at least during the last three years.

As for the tax on petrol, of course the old system here used to be, when this Dáil came into existence first, that we could not do anything, because it was done in a like way across the water. Now the wheel seems to have gone completely round, and if they play hearts for trumps we must immediately follow suit; whether that is advisable in this case or not is another matter. I think personally it is. The petrol tax will hit a certain class of farmers, it is true. It will hit them not only directly but indirectly, because, as we all know, transport conditions have changed in this country considerably, and farmers have to travel very often by bus as well as by their own private motor conveyances. Undoubtedly they will to a certain extent feel the increased cost of petrol, but possibly there is this much to be said for them, that they may not feel it quite as much as they would any other form of imposition which is to be made, because in order to get £750,000 it is necessary to produce a new form of taxation. That is the basic fact that we should not get out of our minds.

I was very pleased to hear the Minister, though in a rather reluctant and half-hearted manner, propose to remit the taxation on betting on the racecourses. I do not think in his statement, though he sought to minimise the extent of that tax, he actually told us what was derived from it. However, let us be thankful for small mercies; I think that is a step in the right direction. Nobody will quarrel with what he has said in regard to there being almost too many race meetings in this country, and undoubtedly the remittance of this tax will, to some extent at any rate, if not altogether, help to rehabilitate the racing industry because, as he has admitted himself, it is largely the backbone of horse breeding in Ireland. The main purpose and the main upshot of this exceedingly dull and dreary Budget is that we are to provide £750,000 to endeavour to bring some form of relief for the farmer.

The Minister has, I think, endeavoured to show that these fresh burdens will be borne mostly by the non-farming community. That may be true, but I would like to say, in passing, that I am largely in agreement with the Majority Report when they state that they believe that it is not by de-rating the farmers will be put in a better position in the future, but by some other means of help and encouragement to the agricultural industry. I need scarcely say that I intend to support this proposed grant of £750,000. I do not really know why the sum of £750,000 was chosen instead of a million. Perhaps it was because a million was proposed elsewhere. Be that as it may, three-quarters of the million is now forthcoming and it does not matter who will get the credit for it. Let us hope that the farmers will derive some benefit from what the Minister has described as this temporary grant. Of course, we all know what temporary grants are, and with his tongue in his cheek I imagine the Minister is telling the Dáil and the farmers of the Free State that this is merely a temporary grant. I noticed that while he said it was to be merely temporary, at the same time he said in view of this grant we must reform the county councils. Why, if it is only going to be a temporary grant, should the county councils be reformed, or are they only going to be temporarily reformed? I do not want to disguise the fact from the Dáil that the grant has come to stay. That may be all for the good. However, we will dispose of it shortly and will vote for it as a temporary measure. Let us trust that it will go some way at any rate to alleviate the hardships which we all know farmers are suffering under at present. I think the Dáil and, above all, the country should be proud of the fact that we are able to be present to hear our Minister saying that our State is solvent, that it has a surplus, small though that surplus may be, and that the only reason that he has to raise money is because he wants, if possible, to grant relief to the most necessitous portion of the community.

Question put and agreed to.
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