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Dáil Éireann debate -
Tuesday, 23 Nov 1971

Vol. 257 No. 1

Committee on Finance. - Vote 42: Posts and Telegraphs (Resumed).

Debate resumed on the following motion:
That a sum not exceeding £36,732,000 be granted to defray the charge which will come in course of payment during the year ending on the 31st day of March, 1972, for the salaries and expenses of the Office of the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs and of certain other services administered by that Office, and for payment of a grant-in-aid.
—(Minister for Posts and Telegraphs.)

Before progress was reported on the Estimate I was anxious to place on record my tribute to Radio Éireann and to dedicated men like Ciarán Mac Mathúna and Séamus Ennis who during the years, in spite of tremendous adversity, in spite of the fact that at the time of their labours Irish music was not fashionable, continued to cover the length and breadth of Ireland in their travels. No mountain was too high for them and no valley too steep. They went and sought out in the crevasses of Ireland that which was best in our music, both instrumental and vocal. Later on it was fortunate that we had artists of the calibre of Seán Ó Riada who, with those men, was able to dress and to modernise this music and bring it to the place of prominence it now enjoys not only in the cities and towns of Ireland but in Europe and, generally speaking, internationally.

What they achieved is an indication of the power of the radio and though we may be critical of Radio Éireann in other matters, as far as I am concerned that achievement tends to eliminate a lot of it and I am inclined to forgive Radio Éireann for what I might think of as other shortcomings. The pity is that the same success does not attend the efforts that have been made in the matter of the Irish language.

On the other hand, I am not without appreciating that in this respect Irish radio and television have played a part. However, I must express a personal regret in the matter of Irish programmes or, rather, programmes in the Irish language. I am mildly disappointed that a programme of the importance of "Féach," a programme in the Irish language about matters of public interest, has of late changed slightly and has become a programme on which there are far too many: it has now become a platform on which there are far too many people talking not in but about the Irish language. I want as far as possible to hear people on radio and television and in this House and elsewhere talking not so much about as in the Irish language. I suggest that Irish radio and television should take heart from what has been achieved by radio in the matter of Irish music.

I should like to mention a matter which is of concern to my constituents but which I appreciate is a problem in regard to other constituencies. I refer to what is known locally as "children's allowance day". That in Dublin is the day on which mothers go to collect what they look on as being an entitlement of motherhood. Under the law this money is payable to them on a certain date and while they are not obliged to collect it most of them feel obliged to do so. That places a heavy pressure of work on the local post office.

I have made inquiries in the Department occasionally on this matter and the reply is understandable, that it is difficult to organise for what is an exceptional day in the post office in that area. On the other hand, since these women are entitled to collect the money on that particular day, they are entitled to collect it in the same circumstances and comfort as people who do not need to collect it until some time later. I am asking the Minister, in post offices where the figures show this exceptional volume of work occurs, to examine the situation and if possible provide adequate temporary staff so that we will not have mothers queueing up on public thoroughfares with the appearance of being there to collect something to which they are not entitled. One is more mindful of this at the present time of the year and until next March or so during the inclement weather. If people are entitled to this money they should get it without any suggestion of charity or anything tending to detract from human dignity or to increase hardship on these people.

Now I wish to refer to a political programme. I have always spoken my mind here maintaining a certain balance between compliment and criticism. If I think compliments are deserved I pay compliments and if I think criticism is merited I criticise. Each of us is entitled to his own ideas about programmes. I suppose politicians are especially sensitive to programmes dealing with politics. Generally speaking, I am impressed by reports I get—one is not always at home—of "Today in the Dáil" and also by what I hear of "This Week in the Dáil". This was because the commentators and those presenting these programmes appear as questioners and commentators rather than interrogators. There is a subtle difference. In this searching programme questions are put in a nice, calm and cool manner; they are not, in my opinion, put in with a view to placing any politician irrespective of party under the necessity of being on guard and suspecting that somebody is hunting him. Because of that, the programme brings out the best in politicians. There is much good in politicians but the tragedy is that often because of the attitude of somebody asking questions we do not get the best but the worst in politicians.

Finally, I hope and I know the Minister will treat this matter in the manner in which I present it to him. I have a special interest in Gaeltacht areas. I do not represent one but, to me, the Gaeltacht areas are very important ones. I am personally annoyed and disappointed when I read of any disharmony in any Gaeltacht area. I am not familiar with the details but recently I have read and heard a certain amount regarding Litir Mór post office. I should like to have the benefit of the Minister's comment on that position. He is responsible for all post offices irrespective of location and I trust he will enlighten me on the problem which exists in Litir Mór.

For some years past, through the Estimate for the Minister's Department and more often through question and answer in the Dáil I have been addressing different Ministers for Posts and Telegraphs on the subject of the annoyance people in my home town of Fermoy and that district have suffered because of bad television reception there. This was a great source of annoyance to the people I represent and I put their grievances clearly and fully in this House. Various Ministers were annoyed with me because I persisted in my argument. In fairness to the present Minister he said some time ago, in reply to a Parliamentary Question of mine, that the injustice, as I described it and the faulty reception as he described it, would be soon remedied. I am glad to say that the matter has now been rectified and on behalf of the people of Fermoy and district I thank the Minister for that. It may not be often that Members on opposite sides of the House pay tributes across the floor.

But we are neighbours' children.

Yes, and that is all the more reason for bringing up my next subject—multi-channel television. I take up this matter not only on behalf of the people of Cork but on behalf also of the people of Limerick, Waterford, Clare and Tipperary. People in these counties have been voicing their annoyance at the Minister's indifference towards them on the question of multi-channel television. They say he is not allowing them to be able to avail of the same facilities in this respect as are available to those living in Dublin and on the east coast generally.

Last night in Cork city there was a public meeting which was organised by the Cork Multi-Channel TV Campaign Committee and there is a report on the meeting in today's issue of The Cork Examiner from which I shall quote in a few moments. Some months ago I attended a meeting of this committee. Subsequently I was one of those appointed, together with other Deputies of Cork city and county, to make representations to the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs. Like all Cork Deputies, I am a very patient man and, having spoken to the Minister on this question, I was happy enough.

I am not an alarmist but because of what we in Cork describe as the differentiation between Dublin and Cork or, to put it another way, the differentiation between the east coast and the north as against the south and west, I believe that there is another Pale being created. I wonder whether the Minister has read the report by Dick Brazil in today's Cork Examiner from which I now quote:

There were amazing scenes outside a Cork hotel last night after a public meeting was called in a bid to bring multi-channel television to the south. The meeting, organised by the Cork Multi-Channel TV Campaign Committee, drew one of the biggest crowds at the hotel for a meeting, and at one stage it was contemplated calling for Garda assistance.

The committee called the meeting in protest against the refusal of the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs to grant a licence for multi-channel viewing in the greater part of the South of Ireland.

Over 1,000 people turned up for the meeting, arranged for a room in the hotel—accommodation 80 people—and long traffic jams formed in the region of the meeting hall. After a short meeting, the committee were forced to abandon the meeting until a later date, because of the hundreds left outside.

I shall not quote further but in the last paragraph of the article it is said that to date, 10,000 people have signed petitions in support of the campaign. The committee say they are looking for the same rights as those enjoyed by people in Dublin, in the counties on the eastern seaboard and in those bordering the Northern counties. Last week-end it was reported in The Cork Examiner that the Minister for Posts and Telegraphs had told a Fianna Fáil Deputy that it would not be long until there would be multi-channel television in the south. I have no wish to embarrass the Minister but I should like him to tell us whether what that Deputy was reported as saying was true. For myself, I am prepared to wait until such time as the Minister of the day, whether that Minister be Deputy Gerry Collins or Deputy Hogan O'Higgins or, perhaps, a member of the Labour Party——

We will leave it with you.

——can tell me what is the position and I will then convey the information to the people whom I represent. If there is one thing that is disliked by people in the south of Ireland and particularly by Cork people it is to hear someone allege that they have information before any other has it.

I must say in fairness to ex-Deputy John Moher that during his time as a Member of the House we had an honourable arrangement whereby we always discussed together problems affecting our constituency. He never let me down and I am sure he would be willing to say that I never let him down either. I am wondering to what depths we have sunk in so far as Irish politics are concerned. However, we in the south are entitled to know whether we are to have multi-channel television. A certain Deputy says he has the assurance of the Minister on the matter. Are we, and when I say "we" I include, as well as myself, Deputies Liam Burke, Pearse Wyse, Seán French and Michael Pat Murphy, to be codded by a Fianna Fáil Deputy? Are we to be codded by this amiable, blasé type of person?

Progress reported; Committee to sit again.
The Dáil adjourned at 10.30 p.m. until 10.30 a.m. on Wednesday, 24th November, 1971.
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