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Dáil Éireann debate -
Wednesday, 1 May 2024

Vol. 1053 No. 3

Saincheisteanna Tráthúla - Topical Issue Debate

Bus Services

The locals in Grange Manor and the wider Ovens area have been raising concerns with me about the proposed changes on the 220 bus route. They have been raising them directly with me and with local councillors Gobnait Moynihan and Mick Looney, and outlining very reasonable concerns about the proposed changes. We have been engaging with BusConnects Cork about its proposed plan. This proposed plan would mean less frequent service to Grange Manor as well as the end of a night-time service. They currently have a direct route into the city centre but under the proposed plan they would have to change buses to be able to do that. It would also mean that if they were to go out late in the evening in Cork and were taking a bus home, they would end up walking along the motorway ramp in darkness around by Jim Bob’s and around to Grange Cross. They are very reasonably questioning how that would encourage people to move away from their cars. They currently have the first 24-hour bus service in the country; four buses per hour, with a reduced service later at night; and a direct link into the city centre. Many of them have grown up over the past 20 years in Grange Manor and the wider area accessing school and now college and work using that bus service. The development plan outlined considerable zoned grounds around Ovens and construction is under way on much of that, for example, behind Beverly and by Jim Bob’s, where Codrum Hall is being constructed and occupied. There is a huge growing population in the area. Since the public consultation began on this process, grounds have been bought by the city council for the new schools Le Chéile and Gaelscoil an Chaisleáin at Lisheens and there would be a direct bus link from this area.

I acknowledge there was a public consultation, but it was very city-based and city-focused. Was there consultation with officials from Cork County Council? This area is part of Cork county. How much were the county development plan and the zoned grounds taken into consideration? BusConnects Cork proposes these changes in 2025 and 2026, so there is time available to engage with locals and to refine and improve the plan.

This proposed plan would bring a new terminus at Dell EMC, a private company, and that makes it more difficult for people to access. They are very reasonably questioning the bus coming on to the grounds of a private company as the bus service is expected to be a public service. Will they be able to walk through that private car park and through Dell EMC to be able to access it? In fact, that is very much part of the solution. If the bus goes through Dell EMC to the existing terminus at the pedestrian access at the foot of the flyover ramp, that would solve much of the problem and people would be able to keep access to that bus service at the western end of Dell EMC by Grange Cross. The bus route could even be looped around by Jim Bob’s and Beverly, bringing everybody on board in that way. The key thing is that there would be engagement with locals.

I am taking this issue on behalf of the Minister for Transport, Deputy Ryan. I wish to clarify that the Minister has responsibility for policy and overall funding in respect of public transport, and neither the Minister or his officials are involved in the day-to-day operation of public transport services. The statutory responsibility for securing the provision of public passenger transport services nationally rests with the National Transport Authority, NTA. The NTA works with the public transport operators that deliver the services and that have responsibility for day-to-day operational matters.

That said, I reassure the Deputy that Government is strongly committed to providing all citizens with reliable and realistic sustainable mobility options, and public transport plays a key role in the delivery of this goal. To support this objective, in budget 2024, the Department of Transport secured €613.463 million of funding for public service obligation and Transport for Ireland, TFI, Local Link services, and we can see them expanding across the country. This includes funding for the continuation of the 20% fare reduction on PSO services, the young adult card on both PSO and commercial bus services, and the 90-minute fare until the end of 2024. Funding has also been secured to support new and enhanced bus and rail services next year.

As the Deputy will be aware, the Government is committed to improving public transport, both bus and rail, and is backing up that commitment with significant investments across the network. This includes the continued roll-out of the BusConnects programme.

With regard to his specific question on planned changes to the 220 route at Grange Manor in Cork, I understand that there have been issues with some bus services in Cork city in recent months and that these issues have been having a negative impact on the travelling public. That is not something we want to see happen. The NTA advised that it is specifically aware of the ongoing punctuality and reliability issues in Cork city and it is working closely with Bus Éireann to address these issues. I am further advised that a number of routes in Cork city are being prioritised for planned service improvements in 2024, including the 220 route referenced by the Deputy. To this end, Bus Éireann is working with the NTA to examine what steps can be taken to improve service provision in the city and counter the impact of issues such as traffic congestion.

The introduction of the MacCurtain Street public transport improvement scheme on 26 November 2023 and subsequent timetable refreshes represent a significant investment into Cork city. However, I recognise that there is still work to be done to build out these incremental changes. I understand that service reliability and punctuality enhancements for routes 220, 225 and 226 need to be addressed, and these routes in particular are being reviewed by the NTA and Bus Éireann with a view towards additional timetable refreshes. Further recruitment campaigns for drivers are under way in Cork city to address shortages, which will also improve service provision in the city.

Beyond that, the planned Cork network redesign will involve the creation of new bus routes and improved frequencies to help transform the public transport network to meet anticipated growth and future demand in the region. It is currently anticipated that the Cork network redesign will commence implementation from 2025 subject to funding and resource availability. These service issues highlight the fundamental importance of ensuring bus priority measures, such as those proposed as part of BusConnects sustainable transport corridors.

I also want to reassure the Deputy that the Department of Transport, the NTA and the operators are working to ensure the optimised deployment of resources across the public transport network to match changing passenger demand patterns. I will come back in on a supplementary in respect of some of the specific issues the Deputy raised in respect of public consultation and so on, if that is okay.

Considerable changes are being planned for the network. Specifically, for BusConnects Cork, it is planned to move the terminus at Grange Manor and to put two bus routes into that general area with very different services. While there are other issues on down the network that need addressing, I want particularly to focus on the residents of Ovens and Grange Manor and the new homes that are being built there. They currently have a 24-hour service with four buses per hour through the day, with reduced frequency at night and a direct link into the city. Under the new proposed plan, that service would be halved to two buses per hour with no direct link, as they would have to switch buses, and the 24-hour service would not be available to them. This is because the terminus is being moved from the western side of EMC, beside the Grange Manor entrance, over to the eastern side of EMC, serving the needs of a private company.

The county development plan sets out that there will be considerable development in the Grange area. Homes are being built and residents moving in there. Surely we would be looking to give the maximum service to the residents in the area. They have shown that they are interested in using the service. They have been using it over many years. There is a way of solving this where the bus route comes through EMC and out to the existing terminus at the western end of the company's property. Is this the only place on the network where the terminus is being changed or taken away? It must be. There are considerable changes within the network in Cork but right here, on the very edge of it, a service is being taken away. Locals are reasonably asking how this is going to encourage them to move away from their cars. It is just sending the wrong message. There is time before this is due to be implemented in 2025 or 2026. I ask that the opportunity be used to engage with the locals on the issue.

The specific issues the Deputy has raised here are significant. I will speak to the Minister for Transport about the NTA engaging again on this. The Deputy has raised quite a few issues. Certainly the last thing Government wishes in terms of overall policy is to deter people from using public transport or put barriers in their way. It should be affordable, reliable and safe. That is critically important. Further engagement is required.

I cannot speak specifically about the public consultation in respect of people in Cork county or officials from Cork County Council. That is something that would be important also. Critically important is transport-oriented development, which we are trying to achieve from a planning perspective, so that there are viable public transport routes when significant development of new homes is taking place in an area such as this. I will take the matter back to the Minister. It would be important for a process of engagement to take place again to see if there is a way forward and to look at some of the suggestions the Deputy has brought forward today. They are practical and achievable, and might resolve the issues for the residents.

Primary Care Centres

I compliment and congratulate the Minister of State, Deputy Colm Burke on his appointment and wish him well. I would not be putting this issue down at all today if I had received replies from the HSE to the questions I asked weeks ago. It is disgraceful the way this House is being treated by Ministers, Departments and the HSE when we table parliamentary questions. I am a Member of the Parliament and I should get my replies in a reasonable time. I want to put that on the record of the House today.

The second issue I want to raise is the lack of progress on the Ballyhaunis primary care centre, PCC. This was to be completed in October 2020 but works are at a standstill since 2021. I understand the scaffolding is still on the site, which is a health and safety issue. Ballyhaunis urgently requires its primary care centre. To be fair, there were four promised at the time when James Reilly was Minister. Castlebar has one, as have Westport, Ballinrobe and Claremorris. The only one that is not completed is Ballyhaunis. It is a very diverse, multicultural town now and there are more non-residents in the town than there are Irish people. The time has come and I want to know from the Minister today what is happening, when it is going to be finished, what is happening with the builder and why the Government is not stepping in. It did it for the children's hospital in Dublin. Why are those in the west always second-class citizens? I will give another example. We had a girl in our town last week and a girl from Roscommon who both won European gold medals. RTÉ did not come to Westport but if it was bad news, RTÉ "bad news" would be down straight away with loads of cameras.

Coming back to this issue, it is very important to the people of Ballyhaunis. They have been waiting for their health centre for a long time. Alma Gallagher has been pushing this for the past year. She has been trying to get answers out of the HSE but just cannot get them. Today I want to know from the Minister what is happening. When are we going to see builders back on site? When are we going to see the primary care centre finished in Ballyhaunis? What is the delay? Why is the Government not stepping in? Why have I to be here today raising this when the Government has a put a contract in place and a builder is in place? If there are problems, why are these problems not dealt with? If the builder is not able to complete, why have we not taken the builder out of the site and put somebody else in? This is not fair to the people of Ballyhaunis. A lot of people are having to travel to the health centres in Castlebar, Westport or Claremorris when they should be going to their own health centre in Ballyhaunis. The Government is talking about multicultural Ireland and bringing people into towns but it will not put the facilities in to suit the people who need and want them.

I hope the Minister of State will have clear answers for me today. I will be surprised if I get clear answers from the HSE. They do not seem to want to answer anything. They seem to be gone out of control. It is time the Government brought the people who are running these operations back to heel. I want clear answers today for the people of Ballyhaunis and for Alma Gallagher, who has been raising this for the past year and cannot get replies out of the HSE.

I thank the Deputy for raising this matter. In fairness, he has been instrumental in the primary care centres that have been delivered and in having them delivered in a timely manner. I am dealing with this matter on behalf of the Minister of Health, who has asked me to thank the Deputy for raising this matter and for the opportunity to update the Dáil on this issue.

A central objective of the programme for Government is to deliver increased levels of integrated health care with service delivery reoriented towards general practice, primary care and community-based services to enable a "home first" approach. Integral to this is the development of primary care centres across the country in our local communities. PCCs provide important primary care infrastructure, providing a single point of access to services for the individual, and can serve as a resource more broadly for the community, creating a focal point for local health initiatives or providing community groups with a place to meet. It is for this reason that the development of primary care centres is an important part of Sláintecare. Significant progress has been made in the delivery of these PCCs, with 174 opened to date and a further seven in construction and due to open in 2024. These centres offer a tangible example of the investment this Government is making in community-based health infrastructure.

This is the part where it gets technical. The operational lease model is often the preferred model for developing PCCs. Under the model, the HSE enters fixed-term leases with developers. The HSE identifies the locations requiring primary care centres and invites interested parties to express their interest in providing suitable accommodation by way of public notice in national and-or local press. The primary care centre in Ballyhaunis is being delivered by way of this operational lease model.

The Department is aware that construction on Ballyhaunis primary care centre has been stalled for a considerable time. As the Deputy outlined, it was to be completed in 2020 or 2021. The Department is aware of the frustration this has caused the people of the town.

Unfortunately, the preferred provider of the new primary care centre in Ballyhaunis has indicated a potential issue regarding the viability of the project. Subsequently, engagement has taken place between the HSE and the developer to understand the nature and extent of the issue. However, should the preferred provider be unable to proceed, the HSE has reassured the Minister that it will be exploring all options to deliver a new primary care centre in the area. In this regard, the Minister wishes to assure the Deputy that this Government remains committed to the provision of the primary care centre in Ballyhaunis and to the continued development of primary care centres throughout the country.

I am disappointed with the response from the Minister of State and I will tell him why. This primary care centre was to be completed in 2020. Works have been at a standstill since 2021. We are now into 2024. I want there to be the same urgency with this work as there was for the national children's hospital in Dublin. In that case, the Government stepped in and had to renegotiate with the builders. I really do not care about the developer. I care about the people of Ballyhaunis and the primary medical care centre. I do not feel there is an urgency from the Department concerning this project. In fact, there is no urgency. When it cannot even respond to questions about it, it is not taking much interest in this matter.

I ask the Minister of State to go back to the Department today. I want clearer dates. I want to know if the Department is sitting down with the contractor or if it is going to get a new contractor. All I want to know is when this job will start again and when the contract will be completed in Ballyhaunis. Nothing in this response has satisfied me that anything is happening. Nothing is happening because everybody has stepped back. The Department needs to move in now quickly. If the builder is not able to complete the project and has a problem with finance, then that is his problem. Let us get another builder in there and get this centre completed.

Regarding rules and regulations out there for the ordinary citizens of this State, it is not right the way these are being brought in. When it comes to the State itself, though, it cannot produce or do anything. It is not possible to get passports. We let people in from all over the world without passports and we will not let our own people out of the country with passports because they cannot get them in the Passport Office. It is the same with NCT and driver tests. Nothing can be done. Why can the public service not work? We must start asking questions. Somebody made decisions here. That decision has not been dealt with. I want to know what the Minister has to say. He is washing his hands of everything. He does not want to come into this House. It is an inconvenience for him to come into this House to answer questions. He needs to answer the questions now. I want to know if we are going to get a new contractor for this primary care centre, when the work is going to start and when the people of Ballyhaunis are going to get their new primary medical care centre. I want there to be the same urgency with the work on this centre as there was with the national children's hospital in Dublin. What is wrong with the west?

I fully understand the frustration and so does the Minister. It is one of the issues encountered. I refer to where a developer has agreed to provide a facility but cannot then proceed. There is frustration because of legal difficulties that may arise. The Minister fully recognises the frustration of the people in the local area who have been awaiting the completion of this centre for some time. As was noted, the HSE is engaging with the developer to address the barriers to moving forward with the completion of this primary care centre. Should the preferred provider be unable to proceed, the HSE has reassured the Minister that it will be exploring all options to deliver a new primary care centre for the area. The Minister wishes to assure the Deputy that both he and officials in the Department are actively engaging with the HSE to progress the completion of Ballyhaunis primary care centre, as well as further development of primary care centres throughout the country.

I fully understand this frustration. I have come across it myself in other areas I have been in. The difficulty here appears to be that progress has not been made in the time the Deputy is talking about, from 2021 to date. It is obviously something that now needs to be prioritised. I will follow this matter up myself for the Deputy as well because I do understand there are sometimes legal technicalities that arise and there may be a stand-off between various parties involved. This means it is sometimes difficult to resolve these issues. I will, therefore, see what further information I can get for the Deputy concerning this issue.

I thank the Minister of State.

Primary Care Centres

A Leas-Cheann Comhairle, ba mhaith liom buíochas a ghlacadh leis an Aire Stáit as teacht ar maidin ach caithfidh mé a rá anseo ar thaifead an Tí go raibh orm cur ina luí ar oifig an Chinn Comhairle maidir le Buan-Ordú 31 i ndáil le hAire as an réimse a fháil. I thank the Minister of State for coming in here today. I put it on the record of the House, however, that I had to invoke Standing Order 37 to ensure that a Minister or Minister of State from the Department of Health came in to take this question today. I think it should be routine that a Minister or Minister of State from the relevant Department would come in to take Topical Issue matters, which is happening less and less. Standing Order 37 is quite clear. It provides that if a Minister or Minister of State cannot come into the House on the day in question, then he or she must come into the House the following day. This is black and white. I wish to put this point on the record.

As the Leas-Cheann Comhairle knows, west and north Connemara is a vast area, stretching out to the west of Maam Cross and north to south from Carna and Roundstone up to Leenane and Cong on the other side. It is a vast area of indented coast and mountains, with a spread-out population and two offshore islands served from there as well, Inishbofin and Inishturk. The doctor from Clifden serves Inishturk in County Mayo too. The proposal for primary care centres in Connemara is that there would be one in Oughterard, one in Moycullen and one in Spiddal. These areas are all in the east end of Connemara. Níl aon cheann molta don Cheathrú Rua and there is no primary care there, but I will come back to this another day. None is proposed for Clifden.

Oughterard is the nearest proposed primary care centre. It is over an hour's travel away. Can the Minister of State imagine if people in County Cork were told they had to travel over an hour on bad roads to get to a primary care centre? It is over an hour from Ballyconneely or Cleggan and over two hours for people travelling from the islands. It is also an area where public transport is very poor. Clifden district hospital used to have a wide range of services and has had an X-ray machine installed in it since the 2000s. There are also good mental health services in Clifden. We know the nursing home in Clifden and the hospital there are going to be amalgamated with a new CNU on the St. Anne's site. This will free up the Clifden hospital site for the provision of a primary care centre. I do not want, nor do I expect, the Minister of State in this Department to give me the usual HSE standard speak here today. It is time the Minister of State told us that the more dispersed populations are entitled to services.

It is also important to note that Clifden is 80 km from Galway. Parts of this region are over 100 km from Galway, not to mention the challenges faced by the islanders. In relation to Inishbofin, planning was obtained for a new health centre there in the 2000s, but it has never been built. Some 16 years later, we are still waiting for the promised health centre on Inishbofin. I also inquired about Renvyle health centre, which is totally inadequate for the modern practice of medicine. It needs refurbishment and upgrading but I was told it was not going to happen. Cornamona health centre is a newish one that was built in the 2000s. It is not used by the GP. I cannot understand why health services, such as speech therapists, occupational therapists, physical therapists, counselling services, etc., could not be provided from the Cornamona health centre.

I hope that I will get real answers from the Minister of State today and a clear statement that the ministerial intent is to direct that the areas with dispersed populations will be entitled to a service within a reasonable distance of their homes.

I have only been in this position for the last two weeks. I think this is now my third week. I got notice that I had been asked to deal with this matter late yesterday evening. I have no difficulty coming into this House and dealing with any Topical Issue matter in relation to health. I know now that I might end up regretting saying this, but it is my responsibility to come in here to address a Topical Issue query raised by a Member. I will do everything possible to make myself available to deal with these questions.

I thank the Deputy for giving me the opportunity to update the House on the delivery of a primary care centre in Clifden and the upgrade of other HSE-owned health centres in west Connemara. An objective of the programme for Government is to deliver increased levels of integrated healthcare, with service delivery reoriented towards general practice, primary care and community-based services to enable a home first approach. Primary care centres play an essential role in the delivery of that objective and significant progress has been made in the delivery of such centres nationally. These centres support the delivery of integrated care by facilitating closer co-ordination and co-operation between health professionals across different disciplines. Primary care centres also provide a single point of access to health services and can serve as a resource for the community. There are currently 174 primary care centres operational with a further seven currently under construction. In addition, 44 primary care centres are at earlier stages of development, four are currently at the advanced planning stage, 34 at the early planning stage and six HSE-owned centres are being progressed through capital plan funding.

The delivery of a primary care centre in Inishbofin remains a priority for the HSE. This project has been delayed due to legal processes associated with the transfer of land from Galway County Council to the Department of Rural and Community Development and the subsequent transfer of a portion of that land from that Department to the HSE. The HSE has advised that the legal agents for Galway County Council are progressing with this matter as swiftly as possible. Until the legal processes associated with the transfer of lands to the Department of Rural and Community Development concludes, it is not possible to provide a definitive timeframe for the transfer of the site to the HSE or the development of Inishbofin primary care centre.

Health centres in the Galway region, including Renvyle, were upgraded and refurbished over the past three years and this work continues. The primary care centre in Moycullen opened in April 2023. Proposed centres for Oughterard and Spiddal are at expression of interest stage. Other locations in the Galway west network may be identified in the future. The Deputy may be aware the decision to grant planning permission for the new ambulance base in Recess was issued by Galway County Council on 28 March. The new base will have space for two ambulances. A proposed primary care centre in Clifden is under review. However, the HSE is exploring the possibility of repurposing and upgrading existing HSE facilities in Clifden to expand the current range of services delivered by the Clifden primary care team.

The development of new or refurbished healthcare facilities anywhere in the country cannot be seen in isolation or separately from the delivery of related health care services. Projects are approved by the hospital group and then approved by the relevant HSE directorate before being submitted by to the HSE national capital and property steering committee. Once approved by that committee, the project is eligible for prioritisation and inclusion into the capital plan, subject to the level of funding.

We come to Clifden near the end. It gets four lines. I ask the Minister of State to go back and inquire of the HSE, through the Department, whether it is intended to develop Clifden District Hospital as a full primary care centre. I want a full primary care centre plus things like X-ray facilities and so on because of the distance from Galway and because the hospital is there already and has been paid for by the State. If I could get that much out of today I would be making some progress. There was planning permission for a health centre on Inishbofin. I often wonder what would have happened had it been built. For some reason the HSE decided the site was not suitable after getting planning permission and it went up on the airport site. I tell the HSE and the Government that it just is not acceptable that these things take 14 years. There was a compulsory purchase done on that site in favour of Galway County Council and I cannot for the life of me see how it has taken 14 years to sort out the Inishbofin site. It is absolutely ridiculous how long things are taking.

I have visited the Renvyle health centre. It is totally inadequate. It does not have the rooms. It does not have the physical space. I am someone who grew up in Dublin and then moved to the west. Imagine telling the people of the area of Dublin I grew up in that they had to go 60 km to get to a primary care centre. Of course, it is good enough for the people on the periphery. How are the people from the offshore islands meant to get as far as Uachtar Ard? There are reasonable services from Clifden. The journey can at least be made by taxi.

Táimid thar am. Gabh mo leithscéal.

Tá a fhios agam, a Leas-Cheann Comhairle, ach tá a oiread spéise agat sa scéal seo agus atá agam féin, nach bhfuil?

Tá neart spéise agam ach táim faoi bhrú. Tá rud eile-----

Beidh tú ag súil le freagra iontach, nach mbeidh?

Tá mé anseo mar dhuine neodrach.

I thank the Deputy again for raising this issue. An objective of the programme for Government is to deliver increased levels of integrated healthcare, with service delivery reoriented towards general practice, primary care and community-based services to enable a home first approach in line with the Sláintecare goal of receiving the right care in the right place at the right time.

The delivery of a primary care centre in Inishbofin remains a priority for the HSE. This project has been delayed due to legal processes associated with the transfer of land from Galway County Council. Until these legal processes conclude, it is not possible to provide a definitive timeframe for the development of the Inishbofin centre. Can I just say-----

What about Clifden? The main question is about Clifden.

I will come back to the Deputy. I wanted to say that as someone coming from a legal background I understand this, but I accept 14 years is a long timeframe and it should not take that long. Work continues on the provision of health centres in the Galway region. The primary care in Moycullen opened in April 2023. Proposed-----

Will the Minister of State skip that bit and come back to Clifden because Moycullen, Spiddal and Galway are all fine. It is about Clifden.

The proposed centres for Oughterard and Spiddal are at expression of interest stage-----

Yes, we know that.

-----planning permission for the new ambulance base in Recess was recently issued. Other locations in the Galway west network may be identified in the future. The development of primary care centres is based on geographical location, population density, topography and existing facilities. In order to enhance capital investment, the Department of Health is currently developing a strategic health investment framework to ensure investments are evidenced-based, equitable and ensure Sláintecare reforms are achieved with the overall objective of having better health outcomes for the population of Ireland.

I will come back to the Deputy on the main issue he raised.

On Clifden specifically, is the HSE going to repurpose the hospital as a primary care centre?

I fully understand. If I may say, I have been involved in a number of projects that had different parties involved. In one case I had six different parties and every time I got on to one I was given the answer it was someone else's fault. Sometimes it gets frustrating, but I will follow it up for the Deputy.

Heritage Sites

I welcome the Minister of State's recent visit to Howth and Aideen's Grave in particular. He had the privilege of seeing at first hand the beauty of the area and its biodiversity and heritage importance. Aideen's Grave is a culturally significant neolithic dolmen located in Howth. It dates to around 2,500 BC. It comprises two portal stones of approximately 2.5 m in height, a collapsed door stone and a colossal roof stone measuring 5 m by 4 m and 2 m in depth. The roof stone still rests on the upper edge of the portals above the collapsed chamber. It is the second-largest dolmen in Ireland. Only Brownshill Dolmen, County Carlow, is larger.

Since ownership changed in 2019, there have been ongoing concerns about access to Howth estate and Aideen's Grave arising from the erection of a significant amount of fencing and the denial of access to the dolmen to an estimated 14,000 people who took part in organised visits to Howth in 2023 alone. That number includes some local community groups. Last year, the Howth access group wrote to Fingal County Council and the owners of the estate to request a discussion on recognising long-established routes as official rights of way. The letter was co-signed by multiple active local community organisations. The request was not agreed to by the landowners.

It is positive that the Minister of State has visited the site, but what is he going to do on foot of that visit to ensure that public access to this important part of our heritage is protected? Will he ensure that Aideen’s Grave is designated as a national monument and will he write to Fingal County Council, as provided for under section 89(5) of the Historic and Archaeological Heritage and Miscellaneous Provisions Act 2023, and request that it use its powers under sections 206 and 207 of the Planning and Development Act 2000 to establish rights of way through the Howth estate in order to protect and vindicate the public’s right to access the dolmen for current and future generations?

It is great that heritage like this is valued by the local community and the Minister of State, but in order to protect it and vindicate the public’s right of access, we are required to act. Otherwise, we will see a diminishing of that access. We have already seen how 14,000 people on organised groups in 2023 alone who would previously have been able to access the site were unable to access it. That is regressive and requires all of us, including the Minister of State, to act. I look forward to hearing what he has to say.

I thank the Deputy for raising this issue. I had a wonderful visit to Howth portal tomb recently. Also known as Aideen’s Grave, it dates from the Neolithic period and is a recorded monument situated in the Howth demesne townland. Within a peninsula of great historical, archaeological and amenity importance, it is an important landmark. As a recorded monument, Aideen’s Grave is afforded protection under the National Monuments Acts and should the owners wish to carry out or cause or permit the carrying out of any work at or in respect of it, they are required to give notice in writing to the Minister for Housing, Local Government and Heritage of their proposal. At least two months’ notice of proposed works is the statutory requirement in this regard unless in a case of urgent necessity, but that still needs my consent as Minister of State.

I am aware that the site in question is in private ownership and not in State care. I recently visited this interesting site with local representatives. I was grateful to meet representatives of the landowner and members of the local community and was glad to see that there was good co-operation between them on the ground. I thank Mr. Shane O'Doherty of Shane's Howth Adventures for taking us on an entertaining tour, followed by a boat trip around Ireland's Eye with The Waterboys blaring out. I also thank Ms Caroline Parker of Deer Park Golf for her hospitality on the day.

I understand that the public is welcome to visit the monument, but there have been some issues as regards organised visits and community organisations. I also understand that local community groups have been in contact with the owners of the estate to discuss the issue of public access to the monument and that the owners have offered to meet any concerned parties to try to come up with a way forward. I hope that a resolution that ensures that locals and visitors continue to enjoy access to this important monument will be found. That the site is in private ownership means that I, as Minister of State, have no role in the issue of public access to the monument.

The recently enacted Historic and Archaeological Heritage and Miscellaneous Provisions Act 2023, once commenced, includes provisions on the creation of a public right of way to a monument. The Deputy will be familiar with this Act, having helped progress it through the Houses. This provision was included in response to the debate as the Bill progressed through the Oireachtas. Section 89(5) reads: "The Minister may, by notice in writing, request a local authority to consider creating a public right of way, under section 206 or 207 of the Act of 2000, to a registered monument situated in the authority’s functional area." Section 89(6) provides for the relevant local authority to give formal consideration to any such request, including by way of a recommendation to its elected members. I have made a representative from the National Monuments Service of my Department available to be consulted on the recorded monument and to advise further on any matters in terms of the archaeology and the obligations of owners and custodians of recorded monuments under the National Monuments Acts.

We had a fantastic, informative and entertaining visit. It is important that we find a way forward that is beneficial to the wider Howth community and to visitors to the area. This is an important part of our heritage.

I thank the Minister of State for his response. He was able to be brought on the visit by a local tour guide. However, if one happened to be a member of the local community who wanted to do similar with that tour guide, one would not be able to. A schoolchild from one of the local schools who was previously brought there on an organised visit by that group cannot do so any more.

The Minister of State mentioned that, since the monument was in private ownership, he had no role in the issue of public access to it, but will he declare it a national monument? He is the Minister of State who can do that. This is a significant dolmen and the second largest in Ireland. The Minister of State can declare it a national monument, which means he would then have a role, as the monument would be in State ownership.

The Minister of State cited section 89(5) of the Act, as did I. Under it, he has the ability to write to the local authority on this matter. Will he use that provision? We agree that a way forward is needed, but efforts by the local community to engage with the landowners on requests to establish a right of way under section 206 of the Planning and Development Act have not been successful to date. We need definite rights of way. We need the tomb to be made a national monument in State ownership so that there will not be question marks over this in the coming years. We will instead be able to guarantee protection of our heritage and, where appropriate, public access to it. Will the Minister of State act on this? What actions will he take? While it is great that he is supportive, will he write to the local authority under the Act? Will he declare the tomb a national monument?

As a recorded monument, Aideen's Grave is already afforded protection under the National Monuments Act. When the Historical and Archaeological Heritage and Miscellaneous Provisions Act 2023 is commenced, I will give consideration to exercising powers under section 89(5), if necessary and appropriate, in this or any other instance. It is not something I can decide in advance.

When will it be commenced?

I cannot give a specific timeline, but we are progressing it. I can try to revert to the Deputy with a timeline.

Under section 89, the amendment would not alter the general position. The Minister has no role in imposing any public access to privately owned monuments. While dependent on the commencement of the Act and the new register that has to be established, the section will enable the Minister to formally ask the planning authority to consider using its powers under the Planning and Development Act 2000 to create a right of way. The planning authority would then be required to give formal consideration to establishing the right of way. The provision is not in force until the commencement and, even if it were commenced now, it would not be of any use until the new register was established. There are quite a few steps to be progressed until that time. The provision in section 89 will also have to be consequentially amended by the new planning Bill. That is another stage. The section will likely take a different form even before it is commenced.

I have officials from the National Monuments Service engaged on this. I am giving a commitment to try to progress this section of the Act as quickly as possible. The Deputy will appreciate that there are a quite a number of moving parts but we will try to do that as quickly as we can. I stress that, if a local solution can be found by the owners and the local community in the interim, that would be a progressive way forward to ensuring access to the site for the wider community.

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