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Dáil Éireann díospóireacht -
Wednesday, 29 Oct 1980

Vol. 323 No. 6

Arts Act, 1951 (Additional Function) (Amendment) Order, 1980: Motion .

: I move:

That, pursuant to paragraph (c) of subsection (4) of section 3 of the Arts Act, 1951, Dáil Éireann confirms the

Arts Act, 1951 (Additional Function) (Amendment) Order, 1980,

made by the Government on the 3rd September, 1980.

Under the Arts Act, 1951 (Additional Function) Order, 1966, the Arts Council were empowered to establish a fund from which they could give payments and annuities to creative artists who by reason of age or ill-health were enduring hardships beyond even the normal lot of their kind. It was decided to call the fund Ciste Cholmcille, thereby making reference to one who was concerned with the status of the artist in his day and was both poet and man of charity. The fund was to be made up of private subscriptions only and the 1966 order specifically prohibited the council from allocating any part of their own annual grant to it.

The council have now asked that this prohibition be waived. They feel that there is a need to augment the fund and so give a realistic level of assistance to those who are felt to be in need of it, people who deserve well of us all, but who because of the nature of their calling and its general uncertainties, have not been enabled to make much provision for misfortune or take much thought for the morrow; and who are frequently, of course, not covered by any sort of a pension scheme whatever.

The Government have accordingly, made the amending order to meet this situation; and the order now before the House would enable the Arts Council to utilise part of the grant paid to it annually out of the moneys provided by the Oireachtas for the purposes of Ciste Cholmcille—the amount so used in any particular year to be approved by me.

The 1966 order also limited the investment of the fund to Irish Government securities. This is now being broadened also, at the request of the council, to include securities authorised in respect of trust funds and such other securities as may be approved by the Minister for Finance.

At the request of the Arts Council, furthermore, the order will permit annuities or grants to be paid to widows and widowers or other dependants of creative artists where the artist concerned has not been able to provide for them.

I ask the Dáil to confirm this amending order which has been sought by the Arts Council and the desirability of which will, I hope, be obvious to Deputies. The amounts subscribed to and disbursed by Ciste Cholmcille in the past have not been, in the general scheme of things, by any means enormous. I would like to use this occasion to remind people outside the House of the existence of Ciste Cholmcille and its worthwhile purposes and to commend it to as wide a circle of potential donors as possible.

I would also like to take this opportunity of congratulating the Arts Council on this important step in the direction of enhancing the position of the individual creative artist and the necessity of making provision for those who bring honour to us all but are often neglected in their hour of need. Their concern in this matter is, I may say, shared by the Government and, I am sure, by the Members of this House.

: I have no difficulty in welcoming this proposal. In the context in which we are discussing it, it is appropriate to look back to the genesis of the Arts Council. It owes its origins to the imaginative vision of the Taoiseach of the day, Deputy John A. Costello, who in the debate at that time revealed something of his own long-standing interest and perhaps his sense of frustration when he said that he had been something like 21 years hoping to see this Bill come into the Irish Parliament. He took the opportunity when he became Taoiseach to see that it did come into the Irish Parliament and in his speech he referred indeed to the lack of interest in the arts and the near obstruction of anything to do with the arts. He said that it was indeed difficult to avoid coming to the conclusion that there was something in the nature of a deliberate policy to obstruct anybody who evinced any desire or inclination to do anything for the furtherance of art in Ireland or for the furtherance of the application of art industry in Ireland. One senses there the frustration of a man deeply concerned about these matters.

It is also relevant, looking back, to see his determination that the Arts Council in their activities should have the freedom to act and should not be constrained by bureaucratic procedures. He said that it was a body which should be entitled to work on its own, free from the trammels of civil service procedure. He said it was envisaged in the Bill that it should be subject merely to Government and that it was not intended that it should be under the authority of any particular Minister except in the sense that it reports through the Taoiseach to the Government. I think he showed great farsightedness in that at the time.

It is also noteworthy that in the discussion on the Bill, it was the Opposition's Deputy de Valera who pressed for the taking out of the Bill both the limit in the original draft on the amount of money involved and the provision that the Minister in anything done in the way of providing funds should be in consultation with the Minister for Finance, asserting that the Taoiseach should be able to run these affairs himself without having to get the approval of the Minister for Finance. Eventually the Taoiseach of the day, Deputy Costello, accepted this suggestion from somebody who had long experience of being Taoiseach. So much for the past in terms of the foundation of the Arts Council by way of background.

So far as this order is concerned, it amends an order of 1966 brought in when Deputy Seán Lemass was Taoiseach. On the order providing for the establishment of a fund it was expressed as being one to help creative artists advanced in years or who by reason of ill health are able no longer to fend properly for themselves. But it did not at the time make any provision for the State assisting this fund. Indeed, the order provided that the council should not utilise for the purpose of the fund any part of the grant paid to the council annually out of moneys provided by the Oireachtas. The fund has been correspondingly limited. The exact nature of its activities are somewhat obscure because although that order provided that the council should keep accounts of expenditure and made provision that the abstract of the accounts and the fund for each year be laid before the Houses of the Oireachtas, all that we actually get is an appendix to the Arts Council report with the figure of the sum brought forward; under "revenue" there is no clear indication of its source; under "expenditure" there is no indication of how it is expended, what is left, and how the residue is invested.

The Taoiseach has an accountant who will no doubt be able to assert that these five figures that are given do represent an abstract of the accounts but they are certainly a very minimal abstract. We know very little about the operations of this fund though we do know that in the last year for which we have figures, out of £15,000 available only £1,400 was spent, which indicates either that there are very few creative artists who by virtue of their age or incapacity are in need, which seems inherently improbable, or a certain frugality in the way in which the fund is administered. This order makes a number of changes. One to which the Taoiseach did not refer and the significance of which is not quite clear to me, though I am not demurring at it, appears to be the deletion of the word "creative" from the phrase "these annuities or grants be paid in recognition of outstanding creative services in one or more of these arts in Ireland." I suppose there is some reason why it was thought desirable to delete this word, in some way the existence of this word impeded possible generosity — perhaps the Taoiseach would enlighten us as to the rationale of that deletion—I am not quarrelling with it but, obviously, there is some reason for it and one would be interested to know it.

An important feature—perhaps the most important feature—is that it extends the fund to the dependants of artists, the creative workers in various arts, providing not merely that the fund can be used to help them, if they can no longer provide for themselves or for their dependants, but also providing for the fund to be used to help surviving relatives and dependants of a creative artist. There is obviously a good reason for this. Given the nature of their work and the way in which it is very unevenly remunerated, there must be many occasions when creative artists, or their dependants find themselves in considerable financial difficulty both before and after the death of the creative artist. The loosening of the rather tight constrictions within which this fund operates is welcome, as we must welcome the fact that the ban on utilisation for the purposes of the fund of the Arts Council grant has been removed, subject only to the approval of the Taoiseach. As to the proportion of the Arts Council grant which can be used for this purpose, the public funds will now be available where hitherto they had not been and where Ciste Cholmcille has depended, as far as I can judge from the material in front of me, on private donations of one kind or another.

We welcome the changes to the order, subject to clarification of the reason for the omission of the word "creative" in paragraph 1. No doubt there is a good reason which the House is entitled to hear.

: I do not think anybody in the House can oppose this motion as it attempts to extend the fund and its functions. However, it is true to say at this stage that the Taoiseach missed a golden opportunity, when he was Minister for Health and Minister for Social Welfare, to extend among the categories of those who would benefit from the social welfare legislation cultural workers who were unemployed, including creative artists as distinct from actors and performers. I hope that this welcome indication by the Taoiseach in relation to the ciste can be followed up by support for the inclusion within the context of the social welfare provisions of those categories of cultural workers who, as the statistical evidence has demonstrated, are in fact extremely badly paid. At the weekend, Dermot Doolin, the Secretary General of Irish Actors' Equity, talked about the average actors' wage being approximately 50 per cent of the industrial wage and that actors and performers—cultural workers, to give them their EEC title—can anticipate up to five or six months unemployment in each year. In this context, although the provisions are welcome, the fund and the flexibility of the Ciste Cholmcille will not really begin to address themselves to some of the creative problems that are encountered by young cultural workers who have not reached the doubtful position of surviving to their old age and I ask the Taoiseach, in his reply, to give some indication as to what action the Government propose to take in this regard. I refer to a survey being undertaken, the preliminary results of which are available to the Arts Council, of the actual plight of cultural workers and to see if we can anticipate from this opening by the Taoiseach that there is a possibility that in the next budget the scope of the social welfare legislation might be extended to include such cultural workers.

: I am not too clear from Deputy FitzGerald what his difficulty is about the omission of the word "creative".

: At the end of section 1 of the 1966 order these words are used, "in recognition of outstanding creative services in one or more of these arts in Ireland". Section 1 has been amended and the only change I can see is that the word "creative" is omitted and it is now in recognition of outstanding services to one or all of these arts in Ireland. Presumably there is some reason why we have gone to the trouble of amending this section to delete the word "creative" and I wonder what the reason is.

: It is purely to give it more flexibility in the administration of the fund. The fund will now be available for dependants and so on and this draft is deemed more appropriate for the new circumstance. There is no particular significance in its omission.

The UNESCO study on the condition of artists has been receiving very active consideration and a proposal to improve this situation will not be delayed for very long. Deputy Quinn knows that I have on a number of occasions spoken of the difficulty there is in helping the individual creator. It is easy to subsidise the public performance but many people argue that that is not subsidising the arts; when you subsidise the theatre, an opera or a musical performance, it is the general public which is subsidised, not the creative artist. That problem has been exercising our minds and I hope before very long we will be able to bring forward something which will make a positive contribution in that area.

: No doubt the presence of the Minister for Social Welfare will be taken as—

: I would prefer not to relate it to the social welfare code.

Question put and agreed to.
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